Straw Man Technique finally unveiled!
April 8, 2007 by Adonis
Hey Guys,
I want to take a moment now to elaborate on dealing with girls with boyfriends. Guys, if you’re like me you want to get the extremely hot girls [HB9+]. The “problem” is these girls are NEVER single. They are always gonna be involved in a ‘relationship’ with someone [or quite often a couple guys]. Now this is where the ethical question comes in….is it cool for you to continue to sarge a girl who happens to be ‘in a relationship’, i.e. has a boyfriend, is married, or whatever… Excluding the situation where the girl happens to be your friend’s girlfriend [this situation brings up a completely different ethical question which I will not be addressing here], her fidelity is a moral question that only SHE can answer.
Think of it this way, how arrogant are you being to assume that you know what’s truly going on in her current relationship? How presumptuous are you being to assume she is getting everything she needs out of that relationship? How do you know she’s not in an open relationship? And goddammit, why are you selling yourself short knowing that people are always looking for an upgrade and you’re not viewing yourself as her opportunity to trade up?? Point is, she may be in the perfect relationship for her, she may not be. She may be the type that sleeps around even when she is in a ‘committed’ relationship, she may not be. Whatever her situation and character is, the moral question to be faithful to her current boyfriend is a question only she can answer.
That being said, how do you deal with the boyfriend objection?? The typical AFC will usually try to get the girl by belittling and berating her current boyfriend. They will typically say stuff like he is a jerk and that she deserves better [the presumption being that he is better]. NEVER DO THIS!! EVER!!! What you are really doing here is not belittling her boyfriend, you are insulting her. You are subcommunicating that she has bad taste in men. You are saying that she is the idiot girl who stays with a guy that’s not good for her. Ultimately by going this route your underlying subcommunication is that she is in a bad relationship and she deserves nothing better….Well, guess what guys even if your AFC plan to get rid of the boyfriend works and she does break up with him, she certainly isn’t going to be trading up to you. Remember you framed her as having bad taste, so she certainly isn’t going to go out with you to further illustrate this point, is she? Do you guys see the power of setting proper frames?
So now you’re thinking, “Well, Adonis, how do I do it then?” I personally have a few methods I like to use. Sometimes, I use just one….sometimes just a couple…often times I’ll use them all. I like to think of “boyfriend destroying” as a form of “absentee AMOGing”.
I’ve always found the best way to AMOG is to build the guy up like a giant straw man. So guys, I present you a new community term: Straw Man Technique (SMT). In logical reasoning there is a fallacy known as the Straw Man Fallacy. Basically how it works is you refute an argument by building it up to be something it isn’t, then you refute that. For example, I could build George W. Bush up to something like a modern Jesus Christ [or whoever!] and then attack him for not quite measuring up to the ridiculous standard I presupposed him to have. I haven’t really attacked George Bush perse’, I’ve only attacked the fact that he’s not Jesus Christ [or whoever]. You can do this when you AMOG. I like to put a ton of social pressure on the AMOG by making him out to be bigger than life–something that he can never measure up to. Why do I do this? The weight of the enormous amount of social pressure I’ve now heaped upon him will cause him to crumble. He will blow himself out and slink away…all this and you’ve never insulted him. I have executed the perfect SMT on him. The funny thing is, you only have to do the Straw Man framing, they will do the rest. It reminds me of the origin of the term “Straw Man Fallacy”. It comes from the practice of building big straw man in the likeness of the enemy for soldiers to practice attacking. All you have to do is provide the straw man….the troops of social pressure will tear him down.
{By the way, as a side-note, this is part of the reason why guys will blow themselves out when they go in supplicating a woman. When you treat her like a Goddess from the beginning, you tell her how beautiful she is, you buy her all sorts of fancy gifts, you are heaping a lot of social pressure on her–the kind of pressure she can’t live up to…So what ends up happening? She blows you out so she doesn’t have to deal with that kind of social pressure! SMT in action! (counter-productive action, but SMT nonetheless!)}
Some of my favorite SMT boyfriend destroyers:
“You have a boyfriend? Oh my god, it must be so incredible to be with a guy who knows how to fulfill you in every way you truly need to be fulfilled.”
“I’ll bet you’re like his little princess that he would go to the end of the earth to satisfy your every desire no matter how silly it was….and no matter what the cost was for him….that is so cute.”
“I’ll bet he’s the kind of guy that places you up on a pedastal so he can worship you on the throne.”
What does this stuff do? First of all, prima facie it seems really sweet of you to say these things [you've built your cute little straw man], but really you’re doing some sneaky shit here. Basically you’re building him up to an impossibly high level….and he’s not going to be able to measure up to it. This will cause her to think of all his shortcomings and all her unfulfilled needs and desires [she attacks your straw man and destroys him]. Guess who she is gonna be thinking about filling those voids with? The guy that is so fucking alpha that he can talk to her like this. Also, no woman of quality would actually respect a guy like this. So even if she did think of him as being a quality guy, she will now start seeing how all those nice things he does for her, really demonstrates his low value….and you will implicitly gain value for covertly bringing this up.
See how this works guys?? Damned sneaky, Damned effective!! Guys, start practicing your Straw Man Techniques! Develop some of your own….share them here!
A little later I will get to the other aforementioned techniques for boyfriend destroying. In the meantime, have fun playing with SMT.
Adonis
So Adonis. Do you have any help for me to destroy the girlfriend/wife????
There are plenty of women out there that a guy shouldn’t be peeing in another man’s cheerios. For me, if a girl is willing to cheat on the guy she’s with, even for me, she’s failed my criteria. I dont want ot kiss a gir who tastes like another guy. Having said that, it is a skill that a guy occasionally does need if two guys are competing for a girl. But yeah, I know this does work like gangbusters.
Terissa: Again, why? It’s SO easy for women to get guys, just pick a free one, or one who has no respect for the women he’s with.
It makes sense..good article
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Ha ha this is gold! Adonis you provide pure actual techniques.
I use the typical BF destroyer technique.
“He must be super nice.”
“Wow man, you are so nice… isn’t he nice?”
That has gotten me the girl. But this new SMT shit is some advanced shit. I like the challenge of a girl having a bf. I can’t wait to blow them out of the fucking universe.
wicked!
I always knew that you weren’t supposed to tear down the boyfriend, I just didn’t know why… until now. Great job!
So sneaky.
Nice article, man. I have actually used this to huge effect, inadvertently. I’ve always hated breaking down the boyfriend, because to me it seems almost like you have low self-esteem (akin to talking down on yourself around your girlfriend, you’re not just putting yourself down but also her).
Interesting thing here is that I’m trying to reverse engineer some of these techniques so that YOUR girlfriend doesn’t fall for these things from someone else. So far the only things I can think of is to remain confident and challenging while dating a girl and to never allow yourself to go overboard with the niceties. Got any other thoughts on this? I guess ultimately that if a dude is good enough to seduce your girl out from under you, maybe you should move on to a girl who is more into you (or work on your skills so you can keep her interested in you) or who has more integrity.
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Straw man technique seems to be effective i just wonder what will happen when i try it out
I like that… It’s a very smart way of showing your alpha attitude and at the same time making her think of trading up! Two thumbs up!
Adonis is right on the money. If you think that a girl is unworthy because she can be seduced away from here BF, you’re going to spend time hooking with HB7s.
Almost all men break up with something like, “You’re nice, but I can do better.”
And women break up with, “I’ve fallen in love, but not with you.”
HB9+ are always in play. Either get in the game or wait for lowwer crumbs to be left at the table.
Go Adonis
Not the first time I’ve heard of this, but it’s good information all the same.
Some good insight. First, I agree that I don’t believe it’s cool to piss in another man’s bowl of cereal as Stache stated, however your point about the morality question is the woman is well taken.
awesome article. definitely useful material. I’ll try to employ that in the right situation and see how it works
Excellent Adonis. Thank you.
wow….now i know why……gd…vry gd info….wish i had it before….thnk you…= )
Well, if a girl was smart, she’d agree to whatever you were insinuating as a way to test you.
YOU: “You have a boyfriend? Oh my god, it must be so incredible to be with a guy who knows how to fulfill you in every way you truly need to be fulfilled.”
HER: “Yeah, it is great, isn’t it?”
Now you’ve just looked like a douche. How do you respond?
Why would you look like a douche?
Gauge her response. In fact, you will more than likely hear that exact response. But the way she says it is what you are going on. And you are setting things in motion for her to start attacking her boyfriend.
Also keep in mind the delivery. Do not deliver this in any sort of sarcastic manner or you WILL look like a douche no matter what her response. Say it as genuinely as you can. Hell, I PREFER it when women have other boyfriends (gets me off the hook for taking her to dinners & movies…and I don’t have to do Christmas and Valentines stuff for her either!). So when I say it, I really do mean that it would be incredible (though it is highly unlikely that what I am saying is actually true in her case).
One last thing to keep in mind: The perfectly content woman CANNOT be seduced. Lucky for me, there are so few ‘perfectly content’ women!
I’m speechless…this is great, that you very much.
Adonis,
Your technique clearly works, but I think the logic with which you claim it to be ethical is flawed. Of course it is ultimately the girl with the boyfriend’s choice as to whether or not she betrays him and gets with the PUA. But as the PUA, your very decision to talk to her makes this outcome much more likely; in fact, come to think of it, why would you even be making the choice to game her unless you thought you had a chance of scoring?
So, to make this more clear:
A PUA following your method is CHOOSING to do something that HE KNOWS has a chance of harming someone else, namely her boyfriend. It is the PUA who chooses to take the action that brings about this outcome, NOT her.
Of course she agrees to it, and is therefore partly responsible, but the PUA is too, because he initiates it, knowing full well that he may succeed. And to succeed in this instance, is to hurt someone else. He knows this too.
Bottom line is, seducing seriously committed women always hurts someone. You can’t argue with that. And since the PUA initiates it, knowing full well that there’s a good chance of his success, he is partly responsible.
It’s like a salesman who is trying to sell someone something they already have and weren’t entirely looking for. Of course it is ultimately the customer’s choice as to whether they buy. No shit. But the salesman does a lot of work and convincing, all the while knowing that the customer doesn’t necessarily need the item. Who’s being the most ethical here? Definitely not the salesman.
I’ve struggled with this ethical dilemma for a along time, because good game certainly gives one the ability to do things like seducing women with boyfriends. But I’ve come to the conclusion, ultimately, that you’re wrong. Why? Because it’s pretty damn clear that seducing another man’s woman harms someone, and the PUA who does it is aware, at least to some extent of the harm he will cause from the very start.
I ask you this. If someone takes an action that they knew the whole time, if successful, would harm someone else, is that ethical? Are they free from fault? Obviously not.
Don’t get me wrong, you’re a mad-skilled PUA, just wrong on this topic.
YOU’RE FILTHY
THIS ARTICLE ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CHEAT
NO ONE IS PERFECT, AND THIS “TECHNIQUE” DOES NOTHING BUT OVERSIZE THE LITTLE HARMLESS FLAWS FOR PERSONAL GAIN
You spend half the article saying how you shouldnt be presumptuous and then your ‘favorite straw man techinique boyfriend destroyer’ is “I’ll bet he’s the kind of guy that places you up on a pedastal so he can worship you on the throne.”
Thats the most contradictory thing ive ever heard!
Anyway this whole thing is rediculous. Boyfriend destroyers? I mean come on if this girl is going to go out and cheat on her boyfriend because you said some ‘non AFC, SMT BF destroyer’ lines to her then what kind of woman do you think she is? You think she wont do the exact same thing to you? And what kind of woman do you want laying in your bed?
Guys, IF this guy is getting laid its dispite these theories on the internet not because of them.
To all of you naysayers and supposed “ethical” people, why are you even reading this if you are so offended?
If I was in a relationship and then met some hot babe who said she wanted to have a one night stand with me, would it be her fault that I cheated? No, it would be my fault. If a girl cheats on her boyfriend with some PUA, well then it was going to happen some time. It’s her fault for cheating not the PUA. Are you telling me that she can’t say no?
If a woman is willing to cheat on her man then yes she would probably cheat on you too. But, I imagine that a PUA who is specifically out looking to get laid that night and isn’t really interested in finding a girlfriend doesn’t really care whether or not the woman in question is cheating on her man or not.
PUA’s don’t make women cheat. That’s as insult to women. Do you really think women can be tricked into having sex. If it were only that easy.
Give it a break.
Good post, Adonis.